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Yongfook.com: The ALL NEW OPEN SOURCE FOOD! OSF2! FTW! OMG! › Yongfook | Web Producer and Usability Consultant based in Tokyo

  • Leif · 1 year ago
    Nice work. Were do you get these cool ideas
  • Suiko-Tennou · 1 year ago
    do i have to have at least one recipe to ask tips on, say, making the 'thin egg/butter/i dunno mash' of butter prawn to its finest?

    i really need to know. and till now i only have rubbish 'whatever there is in the kitchen,half of it will enter the pan' recipes.

    and mr. google gives too much info.
  • sim · 1 year ago
    tidy, attractive and looks fast
  • garazy · 1 year ago
    Nice one y-fook you are a living legend.
  • John · 1 year ago
    nice nice nice!!!! buuuttt where are my stars?!?!!!!!!!!111
  • doots · 1 year ago
    good decision and reasoning regarding the stars
  • Celso · 1 year ago
    Excellent stuff. And remarkable how you stay motivated to work on such a large scale personal project. I'll keep using it for inspiration rather than contribution though ;)
  • doots · 1 year ago
    unrelated note: since 8apps is done for, I think you should pimp OrchestrateHQ a bit to let people know what it is and that its still around. its a great little service still, and was the main reason I (and I would assume most others) used 8apps in the first place.
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    doots > warning...long reply ahead...

    I've been toying with the idea of revamping orchestrate too, but I kind of promised myself I wouldn't get involved in web2.0-for-the-sake-of-it projects in my personal time anymore. I became very cynical about these trendy productivity-based apps; I mean, they are great to build as you get lots of feedback because the kind of people who use them are in general heavy web users who have blogs etc to talk about the newest, coolest app they discovered; but beyond the initial hype period the traffic just trails off because people get bored of the new gimmick. So then you just build another to build up more hype for yourself. It's a self-perpetuating cycle. I think people like you are rare - those who continue to use the web2.0 service. See this post for a humorous take on this sentiment...

    http://www.uncov.com/2007/12/20/pownce-is-still...

    I do think Orchestrate tackles a problem in an *interesting* way, but I don't think it solves the problem completely. I don't think any of these task managers do. I use rememberthemilk because my friends do, but I don't particularly like the service and don't go back to it to keep track of my tasks. Perhaps the problem is I've realised I'm not even a very task-oriented person; I believe I waste more time trying to manage my tasks under some made-up system that worked for someone else, than actually just doing them as-and-when I feel like it and when they come to mind. Sounds a bit chaotic, but I think I work better that way. I think more energy and task-completing-time gets wasted by trying to manage all this data; more than would be spent just getting stuff done.

    That's kind of how I feel about the topic - perhaps there's a worthwhile blog post in all of this.

    If I could create a solution that I truly wanted to use, then maybe I'd think about revamping Orchestrate too.

    The other point however is that, if I started to spend real time on Orchestrate, it would have to have a direction and fit into my overall strategy. The days of me just churning out apps for the hell of it are gone; now I have less time and more maturity - things I build and really spend time on have to fit with a proper life strategy, and OSF2 is one part of the puzzle that will slowly be put together this year. Currently, productivity apps don't really fit into that long-term strategy. There's a number of reasons for that, a big one being motivation (I'm way more into food than I am into productivity), the other is financial viability - as a simple example, I can sell highly targeted ads on OSF because everyone is there for the same reason. On a productivity app, the advertising model doesn't work as well because different users will be engaged by different things (and do you want ads in your task list? ew no thanks). You may cynically look down your nose at me for thinking about the costs and potential gains of what I've created, but it's something I have to think about - like I said as I go grey and mature I'm no longer interested in pumping out app after app seeking blogosphere fame, I've been-there-done-that and am now interested in something that I can build and sustain and keep going indefinitely; and to do that I simply have to think about the long term financial viability as well as my motivational commitment.

    Food is where it's at, for me. I love the stuff.
  • doots · 1 year ago
    all fair enough, and thank you for the reply. I still think it warrants a mention & link under "personal projects" in your About page though :p
  • doots · 1 year ago
    also pikki.jp =o?
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    re: pikki, that's in the hands of Ken now, I'm not really associating myself with it (I just did the front end work on that one, anyway).
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    re: orchestrate,

    I'm not so sure - it's not a very well-put-together app. I don't really want to advertise that I made it, unless I were to revamp it completely. In case you haven't realised, I'm very finicky, have ridiculously high standards and am a total bitch to work with (which is why 99% of the time I work alone).
  • Dax · 1 year ago
    Awesome work dude. J00 R teh l33tz0rs.
    Show me around Tokyo in April when I'm over to see friends!
  • ashan · 1 year ago
    fantastic new features! especially love the new look and the follower system. I do miss the "bookmark" feature, though, for recipes I'd like to keep an eye on to try in the future. "Vote", I feel, is for recipes you've tried and that worked out well; I hesitate to vote for something that simply looks good on a page.

    Of course, not many users may think of it that way, and that's another issue -- if popular recipes are there by virtue of simply looking nice, what good is "vote" to people actually looking for workable, tasty recipes?
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    I see your point but I also recognise that for a lot of people (including myself) the difference between "vote" and "save" isn't so clear. I'd rather simplify things by having just one option at a cost of some utility, than have two options that people don't really understand the difference between.

    What might make sense though is if you can filter your votes with some granularity. So once you have voted on something you can maybe go back to it later in your vote list and give it something extra, like a "tried it, loved it" badge or something. Then you'd be able to filter all your votes by just the ones you've voted, or the ones you've actually made.
  • ashan · 1 year ago
    sounds like a solution. :)
  • Dickson · 1 year ago
    Congrats on the revamp!
  • Jon · 1 year ago
    Looks fantastic! As usual, your taste in U.I. design is impeccable.
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    cheers :)
  • Ben · 1 year ago
    A truly stunning interface that has left my trousers in a right mess.
  • pedro rica · 1 year ago
    Hey YF, I luvs your work and as usual this OSF revamp is absolutely great! I'm just not so sure about having tabs on the top right and then tabs again so close lower below. Adding that login and search form I feel that area a bit unbalanced.
    The same applies to the Recent Comments vs. Recently Popular Recipes...it just feels a bit unbalanced too. With the 2 thumbnails per row and then 3 per row ...

    Hope you get my constructive comment :) Other than that, OSF Rocks!
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    I agree about the homepage - the balance is a bit off at the moment and I'll be tweaking it. However, I must say that I'm really happy with the user pages - especially the Overview page. It's not just a pretty design - the information architecture it is very sound, too; I could go on and on about how cool and awesome and metaphorical it is to have all that content swooping away from the user (owner) in the top left...but I'd probably bore people to death.
  • Sinbad · 1 year ago
    Love the redesign so far! Must have been a lot of hard work. My hat is off to you, sir. A really outstanding site for food and food lovers.
  • Celia · 1 year ago
    Absolutely beautiful. I especially love the Overview page! :)
    But I just noticed that we can no longer post suggestions? I remember we used to be able to choose between posting a comment or a suggestion for each recipe.
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    culled in favour of simplicity. it would cause confusion when
    replying to a suggestion and accidentally putting it in the regular
    comments. if you want to suggest something, just write a comment -
    keeps things nice and simple. I *may* beef up the comments thread
    with icons or something so you can flag your comment as different
    types (suggestion etc) but I won't be going back to the old two-column
    layout.
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    UPDATE: widgets are now fixed! rejoice.
  • Mase · 1 year ago
    Beautiful.
  • Pyquila · 1 year ago
    Great re-design =) One thing i would like is to be able to un-vote a recipe. Maybe i think the bolognese sauce just posted from person X is better than i have bookmarked/voted from person Y. I want to be able to un-bookmark/un-vote that older entry.
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    good point - I'll put it on the list :)
  • WokkingMum · 1 year ago
    Love the new OFS.
    Just a question...
    How do we edit our details, like our website and headshot, etc?
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    yup still need to add that functionality back in! should be within
    the next couple of days
  • CG · 1 year ago
    Hey I found your app a few days ago because you posted something about it in Techcrunch. I have to say that this is one of the 3 food sites that I will be frequenting. Great Job!

    BTW - I came to the blog wanting to ask how I bookmark recipes I want to come back to...I guess that is what the vote system does. It just wasn't clear or intuitive, but now I know...maybe a tooltip or sub note explaining it would help.
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    hey thanks - I agree, the voting needs to be a bit more obvious as to what it actually does. it's an ongoing thing, I don't see the problem as completely solved yet!
  • Nicola · 1 year ago
    Love the new look and feel of the site. Looking forward to the finished product once you have completed all your tweaks.
  • dosdne · 1 year ago
    Hey Jon,
    I realized some days ago that I couldn“t delete recipes or drafts from my page anymore. As I store my recipe ideas there and later change my mind and don.t want to risk the recipe not appearing as a new addition as my draft is already months old, I just would like to get rid of some of these drafts. Another funny or buggy thing is the fact that the number of pages I can click through from my recipes is limited to the number of pages I have of published recipes(not logged in). This means I cannot edit old recipes or drafts which would appear on a higher page number. I hope this makes some sense. Anyway, great work!!!!
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    hey there! two things:
    1) when you publish a draft, it is timestamped with the current time,
    regardless of when you first saved the draft. so it will still show up as a
    new recipe. however yes, there should be the ability to delete the draft -
    I'll put a button in.

    2) ooh - a bug! well spotted. I'll fix it in the morning...just about to
    go to bed now..........

    Cheers
    Jon
  • Sinbad · 1 year ago
    Was this delete button already added? I might just be missing it (I seem to be getting more absent-minded by the day).

    Also is there a way to get rid of old votes. I voted one star for a few in the original, but now it's kind of cluttering the ones I want to go back and try.
  • roberutsu · 1 year ago
    yayz. OSF was features on http://www.thetrendwatch.com/
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    I saw. 4th in the list?! HOW DARE THEY!!@#!@#!@
  • catjackson · 1 year ago
    Hello! I've never seen your old OSF site, but I recently stumbled across this new version and I totally love it.

    One thing though - when I clicked the link for "terms" on the registration page, all it did was reload that same page, instead of opening any kind of popup for terms. Obviously I was capable of clicking the "Terms of Use" link at the bottom of the page (and that worked just fine), but I thought you'd like to know. I'm using Safari, if that makes a difference.
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    whoops! fixed.
  • Evane · 1 year ago
    The new OSF looks good!
    I'm really looking forward to using it :) Really, really good job.

    Except I can't really because I hit upon a snag. I can't type in the "ingredients" box but I can in the "method" box. Instead of the white text background, it's all brushed-aluminum looking.

    My browser is Opera 9.5 beta. =(
  • slippers · 1 year ago
    OSF is twenty-four hour food porn. hah. you are a sexgod after all!
  • Daniele Muscetta · 1 year ago
    That seems very cool.
    My wife suggests a simple feature to convert between US and Metric measuring system (when inserting ingredients at least) ?
  • codemac · 1 year ago
    I think you should be able to save drafts of recipes without pictures!

    I want to add a bunch of recipes I use, and then the next time I make them, add the picture and post to OSF. I'm sure a lot of other people want to do the same.
  • h4rrydog · 1 year ago
    Wow! The new site looks great. When I get the chance, I'll be sure to start posting my own recipes. I was wondering if there was a way to explicitly and consistently tag recipes as vegetarian? In the UK, they have a V icon on all vegetarian foods, and it would be wonderful if you could implement something similar on OSF? I suppose if people are consistent about tagging their recipes as vegetarian, but something implemented site-wide would be nice. Cheers!
  • spongefile · 1 year ago
    Love the site, especially now that I'm pregnant--I currently have nasty food aversions but should eat more, so I surf OSF just to get some appetite back. Also, this site was a big motivation in my recent actual camera purchase--no more cell cam shots from me!

    I like the simplification of the rating system, but wish there was a way to "unvote". I now have some recipes I voted low in the earlier system listed in my "Voted" page.

    +1 for allowing drafts to be saved without pictures...I've been using drafts to remind myself to make the recipes so I can take the pictures.
  • Saurabh · 1 year ago
    Hi YF, I m kinda regular to the OSF . Great site , props & kudos.
    In the new version btw search is not doing the job it is supposed to.
    Example : searching for "momo" didn't return "momos"(http://www.opensourcefood.com/people/Lex/recipes/steamed-chicken-momos).
    Hope you already know this.

    Thanks,
    SA
  • fourdonk · 1 year ago
    Love the new site! Very clean and sophisticated.

    Few things I'm think about for this site:
    - Besides a list of recipes you voted for, how about a list of people that voted for your recipe? Also if we can see the number of votes each recipe has....well maybe I'm just being too nosy.
    - Can we remove our votes?
    - Although I love cooking, I also love looking at food!!! Can there be a view of each person's recipe picture is a sort of slide show view or something?
    - Is there a way we can post general question not related to any specific recipe?

    Again great job!
  • Rinslet · 1 year ago
    How do you remove people form your "following" list?
  • su · 1 year ago
    I love open source food. The content is really good and the photos are great. But I wonder if it would be possible to download recipes as .rcp files for viewing in programs like measuring cup for offline reference?

    Please continue maintaining this site :)
  • Jason Scanzoni · 1 year ago
    For some reason, my main profile picture isn't changing when I upload a new one. My thumbnail updates though.
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    it's the cache, you just need to wait a while or refresh the page a few times.
  • Jason Scanzoni · 1 year ago
    I just opened it in Opera (rather than my usual Firefox) and it still hasn't changed... I've never accessed the site in Opera before.
  • Jason Scanzoni · 1 year ago
    oops... that was supposed to be part of the thread I started...
  • Steven · 1 year ago
    Hi, you mention an API, I'm interested in this.
    I'm a terrible cook with little imagination and so I love recipe websites that can help me. However, nothing has ever had all the features I can imagine being useful, an API that might allow me to add features would be great.
  • ajax · 1 year ago
    This claims to be "open source food", yet the first recipe I clicked on:

    http://www.opensourcefood.com/people/reinarama/...

    Said "License: All Rights Reserved". This seems... incongruous?
  • yongfook · 1 year ago
    it's up to the users how they license their content.
  • myet3475 · 1 year ago
    hi! hope we can have a recipe box!! thanks
  • bz · 1 year ago
    I registered on the site hoping that it would have a favorites feature to save the recipes I liked.

    This would be great so I don't have to clutter my bookmarks/delicious with a ton more links!
  • ling · 1 year ago
    i wanna marry you!
  • Bob · 1 year ago
    If I search for two things, is there anyway to only return results with those two things?
    I think getting results that only contain those things is more useful than results that contain one or the other.
  • Sinbad · 1 year ago
    Dunno if this happens on other browsers but on my current version of Firefox, the "ingredients" and "how to make" headings overlap on the picture.
  • Lance · 1 year ago
    I joined today and can't wait to get cookin...

    just two suggestions from a first impression...

    some sort of bookmarking tool would be useful w/in the site, so that you do not have to rely on sites like delicious, etc. like on yelp! where you are able to bookmark things that you want to try, but don't want to leave on the screen.

    also, another suggestion is perhaps a way to EXPORT the recipes into a txt file or a button that creates a printer-friendly version of the recipe... then i don't have to mess w/ cutting and pasting and it would be possible to organize and lay out an entire meal w/o bringing the laptop near the kitchen!!

    looks great, thanks!!!
  • thecoffeesnob · 1 year ago
    I love the site, great job on it! I've noticed that the site now doesn't accept photos that are less than 800px in width- it has posted photos of mine taken potrait style measuring 600px by 800 px- so i resized my photo to its specifications only to find that the photo that shows up the recipe is magnified and only show half the picture. Some help with this please? Just in case you need further clarification, the page is here- http://www.opensourcefood.com/people/thecoffees...
    Thanks!
  • John Neumann · 1 year ago
    Is there a way to change your username or cancel your account?
  • scrdcow · 11 months ago
    I haven't really read all the posts here, yet, but I wanted to post this anyways.
    I really like your site, and I have some questions and or functionality wishes. :)
    I just list everything that comes to mind, maybe alot of stuff that you already thought of (I actually had the idea of doing a site like yours for many years and have thought alot about it).

    If if it truly is open source, you should be able to patch recipes with other recipes, for ex, taking a spicemix recipe and add it as an ingrediennt for your recipes. Also you should be able to, remix, evolve on recipes, and that they are linked on the original recipe somehow. Kind of like how youtube does it.

    Would be nice with a feature to recalculate the amount of ingrediens for more or less servings and also then have a serving info on each recipie.

    I think you should be able to vote down on a recipe if it really turns out bad, because in that way people can see if a recipe is bad and not just see it as neutral. People could think nobody tried it or that they thought it was "ok" but not good enough for a vote up, but with thumbs down your able to see if a recipe really sucks. You could also use it to filter out real crap and get rid of spam/not serious recipes. I therefore don't think it's the best with only thumbs up.

    Internationalisation, including unit changes. I for ex, don't live in the US. You could also have a unit-converter.

    Tagsearching so that you can search after some ingridiens you have at home and get up recipes that includes them.

    Feature for making a shopinglist of selected recipes, a week-planner, people could enter prices for ingridients (based on nation then), you could then get a sort of calculation about how pricy the recipe is and you can add that as a search feature (but it could also work with a tag for that ofcourse) etc.

    Maybe a mobile version, or that you atleast can see a shoping-list-view in your mobile? Would be nice when your shopping.

    Different pre-added search options for different allergens, or food that you don't want to eat (for ex meat, alcohol etc). You could ofcourse have a filter-out-tag option for registered users so that they can hand pick. You say that this filter option is added, but I somehow don't find it.

    I mini-wiki for every ingridiens would be nice, like the way last.fm has it for artists, people could add information about where the ingridient is available to get for ex.

    Pages for different cooking techniques could be added, and then linked from recipes.

    Option for adding the time required per recipe, should also then be searhcable ofcourse.

    Food/chef groups with a forum (like last.fm) would be nice.

    You could also add nutritional info. There is free programs that does this and looks up the data from the US FDA Nutritonal Data (for example Gourmet for GNOME)

    My own vision for a site like this was to have a nice peer-to-peer platform for recipes and recipe development, an easy way for people to help out and develop specific recipes based on old recipe code or new one, add patches, join together in groups, and maybe in the end be able to home fabricate (decentralize production) advanced food (based on other peoples parts) that people could produce and sell with the opensource recipe on the label (or a link), and also assemble opensource cook books for print and for selling. It could autonomize food production and help educate people on how to cook. Not only be a source of free & open source recipes on the web but also a possibility for open foodstuff versions of fabricated products that can be made locally and sold to help grow the local economy. People in a community could join a group and help together to adobt recipes to their locally grown crops, make their own foddstuffs, sell or trade them... You get the picture :)

    I wonder if your code is free & opensource and what license it's released under?
    What does egg & co has to do with the site?
    I think it's a bit sad that you use commercials, but maybe that's needed to work out the economic bit. You could opt for donations, and also add donations for personal chefs (you could get a small procentage of the sum).

    THANX FOR A GREAT SITE! :)